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Hey everybody. My name is Sally Hendrick. Welcome back to shout your cause. And I am so excited to have Dara Tucker with me today. Now, Dara, I noticed that you changed your TikTok name just in the last few days.
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Hello.
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So tell me, what is your TikTok name right now?
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I am, I am, I have changed my name on all platforms to Darra star Tucker. It's something I've been wanting to do for a while. And it's just, just a part of that sort of alliterative. I don't know. I feel like there's a lot in, in names and I have kind of felt that name for myself or for a lot of years and have kind of hesitated on pushing play just because I'm already kind of out there with you know, a lot of my content already, people know me as one thing, but I just felt like it was time. I felt like it was time. It was like, you know, this feels like, it feels like what my name is and should be, and it's felt that way for a long time. So I just decided to hit play and just do it and not worry about, you know, all, all the stuff I have out there already in my, you know, with just Dara Tucker it's like, all right, people will adjust. And so will I, it's going to be okay.
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Well, and that's what we'll use in the show notes for this podcast episode. I appreciate that
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You will be the first to use yet Dara starr. And it also helps with the pronunciation too. I think because a lot of people do say Dara. And then sometimes I hear Dora or whatever, but to connect Dara with star, it's like, it, it you know, they sound alike and it, and it rolls off the tongue a little bit easier.
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I like that. And I'm in the personal development space. I have a social media business and an advertising agency, which is very different from my background. However, I've always been learning in the last few years that if you want to be something, you just put it out there. And act like you're already there because then you become that thing.
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Exactly. You let people adjust. I think I kept in my mind cause I felt like I needed to make the switch for many years. And I kept thinking, oh, well when is the right time? And is it too late? That was a big thing. It was like, is it too late to do this? And you know, will people adjust to it? Will they think that it's silly and all of these questions and I'm like, just fricking do it. You don't need permission to do it. And people will adjust. They may, you know, people that I know may think that it's, you know, a little bit, whatever braggadocious or egotistical or just silly or whatever, but they will adjust to it. They'll make the adjustment. You know, we, we, we know Stevie wonder is Stevie wonder that. I mean, you know how someone could easily have called him arrogant back in the day, you could easily call John Legend arrogant for, for naming and stuff that, but we just accepted it. Yeah. He's John Legend. Of course. You know. Great.
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So in thinking about that, about Stevie wonder, I saw him in concert at the Milwaukee Summerfest. My kids were in a band and they played Summerfest and that was like, they were in, they were really young when they did that a few years ago and Stevie Wonder had a concert going on just next door to where we were. So that was pretty cool. But I never even actually thought about the fact that wonder was like a name that he attached to him. Yeah. Yeah.
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That's the thing that you don't, you know, Alicia Keys that that's not her name, you know, we don't even really think about it. You just, you just accept it and, and I have to stop over-complicating it myself. And just like he said, just be it just be it.
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So if, since people already are used to your prior name, Dara Tucker now Dara Starr Tucker, why would they even know who you are? Tell me your claim to fame.
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Well, I'm a singer. I don't know that a lot of folks would necessarily know who I am if they're not interested in jazz. Cause that's, that's the genre that I'm sort of planted in. So if you, if you're plugged into the current jazz scene, you, you might know my name. And I've put out probably, I want to say five studio albums at this point. So I've been, yeah, I've been working since about 2009 was when my first album came out and I just released a new album this year called dreams of waking. And so that one's number seven right now on the, on the jazz radio charts. I'm really congratulations. That's really cool.
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I'm trying to think of the, the brothers that they teach at Berkeley. They have the jazz club here in town. Oh my goodness. Their names just slipped out of my mind. My daughter just graduated from Berkeley in Boston and yeah. And she was at the summer camp. Oh my goodness. Okay. I'm going to think of his name when we come to it. I literally saw him at the Indian restaurant the other day. And and I wanted to go up and talk to him, but he was deep into conversation. So I didn't say anything. But you'll probably know him once I figure it out. So when it comes to, you know, you live in New Jersey, right?
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Yes. Yes. I'm just outside of New York, forming
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All around all the time. What are you doing
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Well with the pandemic things have changed up a lot. I just moved to New Jersey last year from from Nashville. I lived in Nashville from have lived in Nashville for most of my professional career. That's where I, oh, are you okay?
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Going to know this person when I figure it out. I'm about to figure it out.
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You said he owns a club there in Nashville or owns a few clubs,
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Any teaches at Berkeley. He goes up to Berkeley. Victor Wooten.
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Okay. So you're talking about Rudy's Rudy's Jazz group. Yeah. I just played my CD. I just, I just left Nashville. We went back and did our CD release or album release show. And so that's where we did. It was, it was at Rudy's, which is named after Victor's brother. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm definitely familiar with the Wilton family. And I'm sorry, what did you just ask? I feel like I'm not answering something you just ask
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You're doing in your career. What are you playing out all the time or you're in, what's your, what's your thing?
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Yeah. Well, the timing of us moving up here because my husband is also my bass player. His name is Greg Brian. If I talk about Briggs, then you know, you'll know who I'm talking about. I just hate to go through entire interviews, going my husband, my husband, it's Greg. So he's my bass player and manager. And that we just moved here to the New York area last year. So right after the pandemic hit or just right before the pandemic hit, we moved to January and everything shut down in March. And so, you know, to start up our schedule again is, is it's a real process. We've probably got four or five dates on the books at this point. Okay. But we have not started, you know, in, in, in earnest to like super, just playing out a lot and touring yet. So we've got a couple of dates up here and in Jersey and then we've got one show on the books for LA coming up in the next few months and one, I think in, in, in Massachusetts somewhere. Yeah.
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That's cool. My daughter's a bass player too, so maybe. Yeah, but she really went towards the music business route. And so now she's working outdoor music. Festivals is like a state. She'll be doing the arena tour type stuff with another company as soon as that starts to kick back up. So I think that's so cool that we have this connection here with Nashville too.
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Did you, have you been here since the [inaudible] opened up the national museum of African-American music?
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Yeah, we just were in Nashville last week, but we didn't get the chance to see that museum. Yeah. A couple of people have told us you should really get out there and see the museum. So hopefully we can do that later this year. When we go
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Again, make sure you hit me up. I live two blocks away from it. Oh wow. I have a membership. My whole family has a membership. It is my favorite museum I have ever been to. And I absolutely weeped wet when I was just reading everything. It's just, it just touched me a lot, a lot of roots and history and west Tennessee is where I grew up. And I don't know. It just really touched me and the artist who did some of the the street art that's in the more current exhibit is actually my husband's artist at his furniture business. So for graffiti type stuff. So it's really
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Very cool. We'll have to be sure to reach out to you. Yeah. I wanted to go by, but it just, we, you know, my husband had a show, Greg had a show and then I had a show the next night. It was just, it was a lot to try to fit it all
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In so well, and it's something that where you, your legs will be tired and you'll, don't want to go a couple of days in a row just because it's hard to absorb everything. It just, it has a very deep experience. So I think this is really cool, really cool that we actually met on TikTok though. And obviously your, your name, like we said before, is Darra star with two R starr tucker. I noticed that, and I noticed your content because you were talking about different historical aspects around the country, especially the most recent one was the Confederate statue history. Now I would love for you to tell me, what's your passion behind teaching this history
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With Confederate statues? Well I am originally from Oklahoma and as you probably know, Oklahoma doesn't really have much of a better history at all. And a lot of that seeps in over, over time. I've definitely seen Confederate flags in Oklahoma, but Oklahoma was not ever a part of the truly like old, deep south. It was still Indian territory by the time the civil war came along. And so I, I'm just not, you know, I'm not accustomed to really seeing a lot of that imagery. I've traveled all over. I've lived in a lot of different states and whatever, but I didn't really get to experience being a part of a culture that was plugged in with, with a lot of that, you know, antebellum kind of imagery and ideology until I moved to Nashville and I got there. And I remember, I remember passing by that Nathan Bedford Forrest display [inaudible]
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When I first moved there and I was like, oh my God, I see the stuff like this still exists. I just couldn't believe that that even existed. And I knew that a lot of Nashvillians including Greg as my husband was, were really embarrassed by it. And I'm just like, well, how does something like this exist in the 21st century? Like how did we, how did we get here? And so that, that really was what started to peak my interest, you know, just moving to Nashville and realizing a lot of these, these these street names and, you know, little monuments and displays and things. And like there's so much of this stuff splattered, you know, throughout the south and in Nashville in particular, I mean, I went to, to Brentwood kind of Brentwood Franklin area. So many of the streets are named after Confederate generals. And I'm just like, what is going on here? Why, why, why are we idolizing these people? So, you know, 150 years after this war has ended, why is this still so, so common place? And so that really kind of sparked my investigation into like, well, you know, what's really going on here, who's perpetuating this and who is funding it? Cause it's not, you know, it's very intentional clearly.
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Right? Well, and to find out that these statues were erected during the Jim Crow era. And you know, when civil rights movement was starting to take back into the sixties, you've got all of that. And a lot of people don't realize for some reason, we want to hold onto this ideology that this is, this is how this is what they should be proud of. But what happened was is that it was used as a scare tactic or a control mechanism in those days to basically say, oh, well, no, I'm putting you in your place. This is what we're all about here, et cetera. And just to cause intimidation,
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Right? It absolutely is. And I think a lot of people are just unaware of it and they just think of it as, oh, this is historical. And, and you'll hear that a lot. I see that a lot of my comments on TikTok, oh, we just need to leave them there and don't tear them down because this is history. It's historical. It's like this thing went up in this, this, this Nathan Bedford Forrest bust that was just removed from the capital in Nashville in 1978. This is not like real history. This is like an, a glorification or you know, just a celebration of, of some mythology. I mean, not to say that these people didn't didn't fight and die and I get it a monument or a Memorial, I should say a Memorial is different than a monument or a statue that celebrates a cause that's different from celebrating the dead.
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So if it's, if it's in a cemetery or on a battlefield or something, you know, those types of those types of memorials did go up in the wake of the civil war, as you would imagine, that they would, after there's been, you know, legitimately there was death and there was sacrifice and there was suffering and you can understand them wanting to honor their dead. Despite that the cause they were fighting for was was not, not okay to be fighting for, but they still died. So, you know, you can understand that in the wake of the civil war, those types of memorials did go up. But what we're dealing with now with these Confederate monuments and statues and busts and things, this is, this is something completely different. This is like a chest thumping kind of, you know, thumbing your nose in the face of, of someone telling you that you have to move forward with the times. And, and I think that these people need to be called out on it. They really do in 2021.
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I mean, I remember this in high school and I was born in 1970. And so I grew up with a huge Nathan Bedford Forrest statue in the middle of our city park in a very small town in west Tennessee. And I remember thinking at the time, you know, this is wrong, there's something wrong with this because I just read about this in history class or whatever, or I just visited pilot's knob, you know, almost to middle Tennessee, but it's still west of the sea. And there's a, there's a, there's a celebratory type of thing there as well around Confederacy. And then when, as an adult, like one of the things that I have been working on ever since I was about 18 years old, when I moved away from home was I wanted to really learn more and more and learn how to be anti-racist and how to push back against what I grew up with, because it was, it was always a struggle for me mentally as a child to deal with that.
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It was very blatant in my family, in my town, not from everyone, you know, from a lot of people, a very large majority. And so that was like something that I went on discovery with. Once I graduated high school. Now, one of the things that I did as well was I went on a trip to Hungary in 2010 with one of my friends. And we went to something called revolutionary park. And that park in Hungary in Budapest is where all of the statues from the USSR days, the Russian Lenin and Stalin and Ivan, the terrible in all of the statues and things that were put up all over the country had been gathered up and put into this park and you could go and walk around and see these statues. And there was just this oppressive feeling about those statues and to read about the meaning of all of that.
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And to know that they had the wherewithal and the smarts, honestly, to pull all of that away from every city park and every, you know, thing that was hanging over the people, there was a happy worker statue where the happy worker has his arm up in the air and he's working for the government type of thing, you know, and it was an oppressive place to be, it was this peasantry, you know, that was throughout the the USSR. But everybody was over, you know, they were underneath these, these big statues of oppression and they did not leave them out everywhere. They moved them to a place where you could still go and see it and read about the history, but they made fun of it. They have this, they have this sense of humor and Hungary that is unbelievably refreshing in how they handle things like this because they've been taken over by everybody. So anyway, it was just something that I'm like, gosh, if we just had something like that in different parts of the country, then people could really learn and understand and never forget, because we don't want to forget anything that's happened in our history because that's how we learn and not repeat the atrocities. And so I just wanted to bring, bring that up.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's important, you know, you hear that a lot. Oh, leave them there because we don't want to punish you, but it's like, it's got to be contextualized, you know, putting them all in a park together and calling it, you know, what it is helps to contextualize that. And it's fine. It's like, all right, if you want to come look at some statues, you know, Germany has Holocaust museums and they leave Auschwitz open to be toured by the public. And yes, of course the history is still going to be there, but it, you know, it has to have the proper context or, or it's just, or just celebrating something that should not be celebrated. And I think, you know, folks have gotten away with that for a long time in this country. And when you try to address it, a lot of times, the people who are invested in maintaining that protection that they have had, they will try to minimize your concern about it.
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You know, it's, it is a gaslighting move cause it's like, well, it was important enough for you to put it up. But then when I bring it up that it shouldn't be there, then all of a sudden, oh, it's just a statute. What's the big deal. You know, why are you getting so upset about a statute? Why are you getting so upset about that? One of the bigger videos that, that hit for me on TikTok was the aunt Jemima bottle. When I did the whole explanation of why the aunt Jemima character is offensive and shouldn't, shouldn't be on the bottle and it was right that they were removing it. And a lot of the criticism was, oh, it's just a syrup bottle. Oh, it's just pancakes. What's the big deal about pancakes and syrup. It's like, well, it's not a big deal. Why are you fighting so hard to defend it?
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Why are you fighting so hard to keep it there? So obviously it is, it is a big deal. Those symbols do matter a lot to a lot of people cause it's about representation and it's about identity for, for black people. And it's about our bodies and our images being co-opted and used in ways that that, that are mocking frankly, and our, and that represents what our role was in, in society. And, and these images, like you said, of the statues and all of this stuff, Nathan Bedford, Forrest, and Robert Lee. And so that, that speaks volumes, you know, to walk by a statue of Nathan Bedford, Forrest, or a bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest, it says a lot without saying a lot. That's the reason that they're put there is because, you know, you can make a pretty big statement without having to say anything, you know, by what we choose to honor in our public spaces, we are making a statement about what we value and about who we value and about hierarchy and you know, the structures that we are upholding as, as a culture, they are making a very big statement.
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So I don't subscribe to the argument that, oh, this is petty stuff, you know, oh, we have bigger things to worry about. It's like, no, this stuff is, is risk reflective of our values.
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What happens when we've got an uprising that's happening now to obliterate some of these things from our view, from our [inaudible], it's so important because the last time this happened in such magnitude was in the 1960s. And we have a lot of people that still are alive that were very much into what was happening in the 1960s. I've got friends, you know, from, from all angles that re that have stories and things that they remember and things that they can tell about that timeframe. And until those people are gone, it's very difficult for the next generation to do better. And if you perpetuate it and you're talking 60 years later, creating a whole new set of oppressive memorials, if you will, right. And you're talking about continuing that into the future operations and we never get past it. That's why it's 400 and some odd years since, you know, since slavery started in the 16 hundreds until, you know, until today.
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And we wouldn't still be talking about this, if we weren't allowing things like that to happen like it did in the sixties and the forties, fifties, and sixties. So I really love the fact that social media is here today. It kind of is a double-edged sword in that a lot of bad information can be spread around. A lot of evil can be done if you will. But those of us who have a voice who want to obliterate the the misgivings and the false hoods and want to bring forth the truth and, and new perspectives, I think that is an incredible tool. So I want to thank you very much for stepping up and speaking out on TikTok or Instagram or wherever you are.
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Thank you. Yeah, it's, it's been it's been a journey for me because I was not really raised to do what I'm doing. I was not raised to be much of a, I'll say a troublemaker. I was raised to be very obedient and very much colored between the lines and to just find my place in society and make positive contributions and not stir up the waters too much. But I've had to sort of call myself out on that and just, I've been inspired watching, you know, the kind of younger you and I are both kind of gen X generation and they called us gen X because we supposedly didn't have a cause we didn't have anything that we were fighting for. And it's true when we were like in, in college or whatever. We weren't the ones out there protesting and carrying signs and it just wasn't the thing to do.
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We were just as the John Mayer songs, as we were waiting on the world to change, it wasn't that we didn't know there were, there were things that were wrong, but we were just, there was an apathy that set in with us after our parents' generation, which were the boomers, you know, they went out there and protested and they carried signs. And then there just was I think, a kind of a national exhaustion that, that set in that really kind of settled over, over us in like the nineties and the early two, early two thousands in our, in our youth where we would have been out there just like, you know, fighting for something. It just wasn't, it wasn't cool to do it just wasn't the thing to do. And I appreciate the millennial and the gen Z generations for, for kind of bringing back activism, social activism.
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And I've had to, I've had to really kind of course-correct myself and realize that just sort of sitting back and allowing other people to speak out, you know, and I'm having private conversations with the people that I care about, but like the idea of being outspoken, it just, especially in the age of social media, it's just, I didn't really know where my voice fit. I, I wasn't really finding my place. And my whole stance was just to step back and allow other people to have those conversations, because I didn't want to contribute to the company. I didn't want to contribute to the noise cause that's a lot of what it felt like. It's just a lot of people will just crabbing and moaning and just airing grievances or whatever online. And so I thought, well, how, you know, after the events of last year, really that the George Floyd and ground Taylor, and there have been so many before them.
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And since then but it was like, all right, this is a, there's a shift that's happening. That it's just, you know, if you are really going to turn a blind eye to this and not linger voice to a symphony of voices that are out there who really are risking something, if you're not willing to risk something, you know, what kind of a human being are you? I don't care if I wasn't raised to, to, to c protest signs or whatever. It's like, what can I do? What positive contribution can I make? Well, I can organize my thoughts. I can do research. I can bring context and understanding to some of the issues, particularly in regards to racial justice. These, these issues that I have thought about deeply for years, and then like between my myself and family friends we've discussed for years, but in terms of how I can lend my voice to the national conversation, that's happening, the way that I have settled into contributing to that conversation is by providing some historical context.
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And that's, that's just where I have settled in. I think that's, that's kind of, if I have a niche or a specialty then that's, that is my specialty. I get reach outs from people from time to time going well, this happened and that happened. And are you going to speak to this? And are you going to talk about this? And are you gonna address this? And it's like, I'm not really the current events day to day kind of person. There are some, there are some current issues that I do address, but it's like really for me, addressing historical context and helping people to understand why some of these issues are relevant to us now and how history has impacted a lot of the crap that we're dealing with now and how this, there is a through line, there is a narrative, there's a story. There's a reason that we are where we are, this stuff didn't just pop up, you know, Philando Castile. And, you know, wasn't just Alton, Sterling, whatever they, Eric Garland, they weren't just victims out of the blue. There isn't, there's a history and there's a context for this stuff. There's a reason that the black community takes up the space that it does in the world today. And let's talk about the why, and let's contextualize this historically.
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Yeah. Well, and that's not always a day-to-day current update kind of deep dive thing to do. And it takes a lot of brain power and a lot of marinating and thinking on things to be able to pull that context together. And I really appreciate that about you. I write in the, in the same way, I'm through with the articles and things that I've put out I'd worked for a newspaper at one point and they were like, can you do like one of these, like two a week or something? And I'm just like, no, I mean, no, I can't do that. Sucks the life out of me, it got to the point where I was like, look, how about I do my really deep dive commentary once a month, but I have to do this every week. And it was not, you know, it wasn't my job or anything. I've run, run my business.
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I want to know now at this point, what is your hope for the future? Cause we're still in the middle of a lot of chaos. We've got a lot of things still going on with the pandemic and I'm afraid that we have a lot more coming with the pandemic. I think that it kind of, it kind of has been working side by side and that everybody's on this level playing field with this disease that's going around. And I think that that's a lot of the reason why this uprising is, is happening. All the chaos is happening at once. What is it your hope that happens with us when we get past this things, if we will, or into this new era?
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Well, my ultimate hope, and I know this sounds like some pie in the sky, you know, dribble or whatever, but it really, my hope is that that truth will prevail. And that sounds, it sounds sort of grandiose, but the, the fundamental hope behind that is that we would be and I don't even want to necessarily say restored because I don't feel like we've ever really had a society that was around it in, in truth in this country. I feel like, you know, when people get nostalgic, I'll just say, when white people get nostalgic about, you know, the olden days, the girdle days, the fifties and the sixties, I'm a huge fan of like classic films and television and movies. And I love that stuff, but I don't like the way that, that goes hand in hand with this sort of almost false nostalgia where we're looking back to something that actually never existed or that only existed for a small strata of the population.
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And so in, in, in my estimate, and I don't know that we've ever really had full, genuine reckoning and understanding or appreciation for, for truth in this country. And I just, I want us to stop being afraid of truth so we can have these conversations and we can have these discussions and it doesn't have to mean that you were threatened because you were, you were a white person. A lot of times white people are implicated in, in a lot of the wrong doing that's happened. When we have conversations about racial injustice, but I really want people to stop being afraid of having truthful conversations and to be willing to see the past for what it was, you know, understanding that it was not an ideal time for everyone, just because a certain segment of the population was living high on the hog or, you know, experiencing prosperity or unprecedented happiness.
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It doesn't mean that that that's how society that's what we need to go back to because there was a huge swath of the population that was being subjugated and undermined and marginalized. And so if we have to have marginalization in subjugation of a huge swath of the population in order for the other swath of the population to feel that they have happiness and prosperity and safety and the wealth and all of this stuff, it's like, that's, that's not a trait. That's not a trade off. That should be okay with anyone. We've got to, we've got to grapple with our history and be truthful about what our history is. So that's what I want. I want, I want us as a, as a culture and as a society to become lovers of the truth. I have a background in, in, in, in, in a, I don't want to say religion, but like my, my family was very, you know, very very much embedded in, in faith and spirituality.
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And that's, you know, it's actually a line from the Bible. I don't know what the exact scripture references, but that men be lovers of the truth. And that to me is where our so-called salvation as a culture lie and becoming lovers of the truth. And it's like, if we could move forward and in truth, we can find a lot of common ground after that. We may not all ever agree. And, and, you know, I think peace in itself is maybe a little bit of a, a little bit of pie in the sky talk, but just being lovers of the truth, let's just start there. That's my hope.
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The truth, the whole truth and nothing but just truth and perspective, because true, the perspective is the, is the enemy here in a way, and also our friend in a way, we've got to be able to allow for all the entirety, all truths. Yeah.
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And it's, and it's tough. And it's, and it's complicated sometimes. Cause it's like, you know, it's, it's, the truth can be difficult to digest and it's not simple. Sometimes the truth is, is it is plain, but it's sometimes it's not simple. But I think we've got to, we've got to develop an appetite for the, the sometimes complex nature of the truth. And I'm not a fan of this these, this term it's really popular now my, well, this is my truth. I wasn't telling Mike. I was like, no, there is the truth. I don't like the idea of that word kind of being toyed with because we can't even count on media. We can't even count on our, the sources where we get our information from to give us any kind of a rounding, like a ground zero. This is truth. We have got to get more connected with what that really is. You get a lot of confused people who don't even know, even if they wanted to find a bedrock and truth, they don't know how to find it anymore because we're, our media is so fractured and so fragmented. And anyone with a website can purport to be communicating truth and we've got to develop a respect and an understanding for what, what truth really is.
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Yeah. I agree with you. I love that perspective of this truth, if you will. And the last thing I want to mention, do you write music as well? Yes, I do. Yeah. Yeah.
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Most of my album, this, this, this current album is mostly covers. I wrote one song called do we sleep? But my albums previous to that, most of them contain my, my own music that I write. Yeah.
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Excellent. I I'm curious if any of this will bleed into your music, into your writing at some point, because you've taken up this cause is something that maybe you don't think of as taking up the flag for this cause, but I feel like you are. And I appreciate that very much. And I, I definitely want to celebrate it. So that's why I'm here to shout your cause. If there's anything else you want to leave us with maybe a link to your website or an album name and we'll, I'll make sure people know about it.
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Well, the album, the current album is called dreams of waking and it's really all digital outlets. You can actually find the physical copy at target and Walmart, but it's yeah, it's on, you know, Spotify, iTunes, Amazon, all of that. It's called dreams of waking it's dark Tucker. So, so I, I made the mistake of not putting it out under my current name, which is Dara Starr Tucker. So you'll find it under Dara Tucker dreams of waking. And then of course I'm online [inaudible] or darkstarrtucker.com. You can find it there too, but yeah, I'm all over the place. And yeah, yeah, that song do we sleep is actually, it's really cool that the album itself is like a social justice album and it has a lot of protest music and a lot of just like come together and love each other music. And then that song, that original song that I wrote for the album called De we sleep. It actually is referencing a lot of this, this kind of stuff we've been talking about. Good. I'm going
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To go listen to the lyrics and I'm going to break that down. And when you get back to Nashville, let me know, and I will get you a personal tour of the museum here, the national African-American music, because you will love some of these exhibits that have the miss history of music and the connections between artists, their influencers and who they influenced and how you can explore all that and literally get downloads of those music playlist onto your wrist band. Oh, wow. Yeah. They give you a micro website that is yours, all yours, of everything that you pick up throughout the museum for you to go back and use later, but it only lasts for like two months. So you have to make sure you go download things before they go away. It's a fun. So make sure you look me up.
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I will.
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All right. Well, thank you very much. And that's the end of our interview today. Thanks for being here. Everybody listening to shout your cause and we'll see you next time.
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